Legislature(2005 - 2006)BELTZ 211

04/19/2005 03:30 PM Senate STATE AFFAIRS


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03:36:25 PM Start
03:37:07 PM Confirmation Hearing
03:53:33 PM SB172
04:05:31 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ Confirmation Hearings: TELECONFERENCED
State Commission for Human Rights
M. Chris Hayes
Barbara J.(Tamie) Miller
Randy H. Eledge
Lester C. Lunceford
*+ SB 172 INITIATIVE/REFERENDUM BALLOT SUMMARY TELECONFERENCED
Moved SB 172 Out of Committee
Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
            SENATE STATE AFFAIRS STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                           
                         April 19, 2005                                                                                         
                           3:36 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Gene Therriault, Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Thomas Wagoner, Vice Chair                                                                                              
Senator Charlie Huggins                                                                                                         
Senator Bettye Davis                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kim Elton                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Confirmation Hearings:                                                                                                          
State Commission for Human Rights: M. Chris Hayes, Barbara J.                                                                   
(Tamie) Miller, Randy H. Eledge, Lester C. Lunceford                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     CONFIRMATIONS ADVANCED                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 172                                                                                                             
"An Act relating to the presentation of initiatives and                                                                         
referenda on the ballot."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     MOVED SB 172 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 172                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: INITIATIVE/REFERENDUM BALLOT SUMMARY                                                                               
SPONSOR(s): SENATOR(s) THERRIAULT                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BARBARA (TAMIE) J. MILLER                                                                                                       
Human Rights Commission                                                                                                         
800 A Street, Suite 204                                                                                                         
Anchorage, AK 99501-3669                                                                                                        
POSITION   STATEMENT:   Human  Rights   Commission   Confirmation                                                             
Candidate                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
RANDY H. ELEDGE                                                                                                                 
Human Rights Commission                                                                                                         
800 A Street, Suite 204                                                                                                         
Anchorage, AK 99501-3669                                                                                                        
POSITION   STATEMENT:   Human  Rights   Commission   Confirmation                                                             
Candidate                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
M. CHRIS HAYES                                                                                                                  
Human Rights Commission                                                                                                         
800 A Street, Suite 204                                                                                                         
Anchorage, AK 99501-3669                                                                                                        
POSITION   STATEMENT:   Human  Rights   Commission   Confirmation                                                             
Candidate                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
LESTER C. LUNCEFORD                                                                                                             
Human Rights Commission                                                                                                         
800 A Street, Suite 204                                                                                                         
Anchorage, AK 99501-3669                                                                                                        
POSITION   STATEMENT:   Human  Rights   Commission   Confirmation                                                             
Candidate                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
JOE BALASH,                                                                                                                     
Staff to Senator Therriault                                                                                                     
Alaska State Capitol                                                                                                            
Juneau, AK  99801-1182                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Introduced SB 172                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GENE  THERRIAULT called the  Senate State  Affairs Standing                                                             
Committee meeting to  order at 3:36:25 PM.  Present were Senators                                                             
Wagoner, Huggins, Davis and Chair Therriault.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                     ^CONFIRMATION HEARING                                                                                  
                     CONFIRMATION HEARINGS                                                                                  
                                                                                                                              
CHAIR  GENE  THERRIAULT  opened  the  confirmation  hearings  for                                                               
appointments to the Alaska Commission for Human Rights.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:37:07 PM                                                                                                                    
The  previous link  contains  an interview  by  the Senate  State                                                               
Affairs Committee  of Barbara  (Tamie) J. Miller  who was  up for                                                               
initial appointment to the Alaska Commission for Human Rights.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:41:54 PM                                                                                                                    
The  previous link  contains  an interview  by  the Senate  State                                                               
Affairs  Committee of  Randy H.  Eledge  who was  up for  initial                                                               
appointment to the Alaska Commission for Human Rights.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:44:06 PM                                                                                                                    
The  previous link  contains  an interview  by  the Senate  State                                                               
Affairs  Committee of  M.  Chris  Hayes who  was  up for  initial                                                               
appointment to the Alaska Commission for Human Rights.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:46:45 PM                                                                                                                    
The  previous link  contains  an interview  by  the Senate  State                                                               
Affairs  Committee  of  Lester  C.   Lunceford  who  was  up  for                                                               
reappointment to the Alaska Commission for Human Rights.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:48:49 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR THERRIAULT  informed the nominees that  the interviews were                                                               
brief because  he hadn't heard  any concerns expressed.  He asked                                                               
for a motion.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WAGONER motioned  to report  the names  of Chris  Hayes,                                                               
Barbara Miller Randy Eledge, and  Lester Lunceford forward to the                                                               
full body for confirmation.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  THERRIAULT  announced  that without  objection  the  names                                                               
would be forwarded for consideration at a joint session.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He called an at ease from 3:49:47 PM to 3:53:31 PM.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
          SB 172-INITIATIVE/REFERENDUM BALLOT SUMMARY                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
3:53:33 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GENE   THERRIAULT  announced  SB   172  to  be   up  for                                                               
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
JOE BALASH, Staff  to Senator Therriault, explained  SB 172 deals                                                               
with  the  presentation of  an  initiative  or a  referendum  and                                                               
specifically how the language would appear on the ballot.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Current  statute provides  that  the title  of  an initiative  or                                                               
referenda  ballot question  must be  no more  than six  words. In                                                               
addition there  is a word  limitation on the summary.  Looking at                                                               
some of  the initiatives that  have been filed with  the Division                                                               
of  Elections  it  is  apparent   that  they  are  becoming  more                                                               
sophisticated in the nuance of what  they do, which makes it more                                                               
difficult  to  stay  within  the  six  word  limitation.  SB  172                                                               
proposes to increase the number of words to a maximum of 25.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Allowing the  Lieutenant Governor up  to 25 words for  the ballot                                                               
title would  provide opportunity for a  more accurate description                                                               
of the  contents of the proposed  law or the contents  of a piece                                                               
of legislation  that is repealed or  up for repeal by  means of a                                                               
referendum.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THERRIAULT  asked him  to read  the titles  of some  of the                                                               
documents he reviewed.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH read  from a petition submitted on April  6, 2004: "An                                                               
initiative  requiring the  State  of  Alaska to  vote  on an  act                                                               
providing  children  and  their  families  specific  rights  when                                                               
children are in the custody of State Children's Services."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Another  example  was:   "An  initiative  requiring  seventy-five                                                               
percent  legislative majority  or  voter approval  to impose  new                                                               
taxes  or  increase  existing   taxes,  prohibiting  real  estate                                                               
transfer taxes and providing for certain local options."                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Distilling either to just six words  would be a challenge so this                                                               
is  an effort  to  try and  make  sure that  voters  have a  fair                                                               
understanding of what they are voting on.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THERRIAULT  asked if  all six words  have always  been used                                                               
because his concern  and reason for introducing  the bill relates                                                               
to the  quip that politics  is boiled  down to a  bumper sticker.                                                               
The six-word limitation  seems to lend the  initiative process to                                                               
that quip, but  it would be more beneficial to  the voter to have                                                               
something that is more descriptive  so they can better understand                                                               
what is encapsulated.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
He  asked  Mr. Balash  if  he  had  reviewed issues  from  recent                                                               
ballots.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH  replied in  the 2004 general  election there  was the                                                               
temporary  appointment  of a  U.S.  Senator,  which was  easy  to                                                               
describe and  therefore not an  issue. However,  prohibiting bear                                                               
baiting or  feeding was  more problematic  because the  issue was                                                               
more complex than  a simple prohibition. The issue  of crimes and                                                               
penalties was involved  and went far beyond the  practice of bear                                                               
baiting.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
In  2002  the  issue  of  moving the  legislative  session  to  a                                                               
different  location  was  complicated  because it  called  for  a                                                               
temporary move to Anchorage followed  by a permanent move to Mat-                                                               
Su.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
A current  issue that  has the  potential for  a referenda  is SB
141,  the PERS/TRS  issue. The  bill contains  102 pages  and the                                                               
title  doesn't  even  fit  on  one  page.  Clearly  there  is  an                                                               
organized group that could mount a referendum challenge.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Another has  to do with  the duties  of the Department  of Health                                                               
and Social  Services (DHSS)  on public  health and  public health                                                               
emergencies  and  disasters.  The Alaska  Civil  Liberties  Union                                                               
(AkCLU) has raised issues and  it's an organized group that might                                                               
be willing to make some sort  of effort. That title is nine lines                                                               
long.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Clearly  the   issues  are  becoming  more   complex  and  that's                                                               
particularly true with the  more controversial issues. Therefore,                                                               
the suggestion is to allow wider latitude.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  THERRIAULT   questioned  what   level  of   authority  the                                                               
lieutenant governor  would have to allow  for description without                                                               
imposing advocacy in titles.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH replied  the statute requires that  the title indicate                                                               
the  general   subject  of  the  proposition.   It  doesn't  give                                                               
authority to  move one way or  the other. He suggested  that it's                                                               
likely  that a  group would  be  territorial with  regard to  the                                                               
impartiality  granted by  the lieutenant  governor in  the ballot                                                               
title if it made the effort to  get the issue on the ballot. It's                                                               
likely the group would be willing to go to court over that.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THERRIAULT asked if he  had conversations with the Division                                                               
of Elections  or the Lieutenant  Governor's Office over  how they                                                               
might construe  to give  the general  subject and  prevent either                                                               
side from entering into advocacy.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH  replied the conversation  he had with  the Lieutenant                                                               
Governor's  Office was  to  clarify  that there  would  not be  a                                                               
requirement  that  a  title  contain 25  words.  He  hadn't  been                                                               
successful  in discussing  the  issue with  the  director of  the                                                               
Division  of Elections  but  he  wasn't sure  that  they had  any                                                               
concerns that hadn't been addressed.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:03:42 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  THOMAS WAGONER  made  the statement  that  he likes  the                                                               
proposition. The easier  a proposition is to  read and understand                                                               
the better off you are.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  THERRIAULT  said those  who  propose  initiatives have  to                                                               
strike a  balance between length  for description and  brevity to                                                               
maintain the  reader's attention. You're  more likely to  vote no                                                               
if don't understand what you read.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:04:59 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  THERRIAULT  noted  Annette Kreitzer  from  the  Lieutenant                                                               
Governors Office was available for questions.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THERRIAULT  mentioned the  one zero  fiscal note  and asked                                                               
for the will of the committee.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:05:22 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WAGONER  motioned to  report SB  172 and  attached fiscal                                                               
note from committee with individual recommendations.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THERRIAULT  announced that  without objection SB  172 would                                                               
be forwarded to the next committee of referral.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
There being  no further  business to  come before  the committee,                                                               
Chair Therriault adjourned the meeting at 4:05:31 PM                                                                          

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